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, and she took a hard line on iran. in contrast, i thought ironically to what chuck hagel was doing and saying and being attacked for. on benghazi, that's her lady mcbeth spot moment. she took the fall. that's why i said obama had a payoff by calling 60 minutes basically because she covered his rear end, and nothing she -- and then she still attacked the critics. the problem with what she said is she still hasn't answered the questions which are who invented this false stories, and i have a few other questions. >> jenna: let me ask you this. the reporter for the associated press that had this interview said the secretary seems to suggest that she doesn't feel anything from benghazi will come back and haunt her if she runs for president in 2016. what do you think about that? does this have staying pure? >> i don't know. that's a long time away, and it probably doesn't. but the problem is there's still four dead americans. nobody's been captured, and eventually the truth's going to come out. it always does about how this phony story whichrs by the way, she was a proponent of. she trie
. for instance he could fire sperlin x today. he won't. haggle hagel is a nasty guy. he is surrounded by people that lie to us all the time. that's the truth. and what woodward did he helped bring the veil down ever so slightly and now we'll see what the rest of need ya does as i said on my show. seems to be about 80/10 defending the white house. 80 defending, about 10% defending -- another 10% are probably drunk. >> neil: i don't know about the drunk thing. mark, always good having you on. now, whether gene sperling meant to be threatening, my nest given says it comes down from the top. you say the chief sets the tone. >> the culture. the president has been running around like an attack dog, scaring the hell out of the american public, at best being somewhat disingenuous about the sequester, which was his idea. plenty of time since 2011 to do something about it. and i step badge and if i had a message to the american public there isn't a corporation in the united states, if you have a business that is 100 million you're telling me you can't take out 2.3% in costs? >> neil: has to draw back the
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